From adaml@jbase.com Sun Jun 1 18:55:16 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h51MtGg04123 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:55:16 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: test from email Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: test from email Thread-Index: AcMokOaHG2y31096S+WXtSVJbNadEQ== From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h51MtGg04123 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Sun Jun 1 19:32:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Adam Lipson" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: test from news Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:32:00 -0400 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 146-115-28-216.c3-0.wtr-ubr1.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054510307 1187 146.115.28.216 (1 Jun 2003 23:31:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:31:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:2 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: test "Adam Lipson" wrote in message news:bbe038$405$1@listserver.jbase.com... > just ignore > > From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Sun Jun 1 19:34:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Adam Lipson" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: test from news Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:33:04 -0400 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 146-115-28-216.c3-0.wtr-ubr1.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054510370 1198 146.115.28.216 (1 Jun 2003 23:32:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:32:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:3 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: another test "Adam Lipson" wrote in message news:bbe2d3$153$1@listserver.jbase.com... > test > "Adam Lipson" wrote in message > news:bbe038$405$1@listserver.jbase.com... > > just ignore > > > > > > From adaml@jbase.com Sun Jun 1 19:34:13 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h51NYDS01218 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:34:13 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: test from news Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:34:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: test from news Thread-Index: AcMoliUkFyxBGhu+RPSzxdzRe+/2EwAACaSg From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h51NYDS01218 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ok, works from news and email. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:32 PM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: Re: test from news test "Adam Lipson" wrote in message news:bbe038$405$1@listserver.jbase.com... > just ignore > > _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech From adaml@jbase.com Mon Jun 2 10:18:17 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h52EIHS09112 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:18:17 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: welcome to the new tech list Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:18:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: welcome to the new tech list Thread-Index: AcMpEc9GnjdIntpzQsGzL9UK3c/kOg== From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h52EIHS09112 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Welcome, Hopefully by now you have received your welcome email. If anything is unclear please address any concerns to me. Enjoy the new list, Adam From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 2 11:38:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Mecki" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: test Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:36:06 +0200 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd952740e.dip.t-dialin.net X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054568256 9856 217.82.116.14 (2 Jun 2003 15:37:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:37:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:6 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Adam Lipson wrote: > just ignore From kerid@jbase.com Mon Jun 2 13:10:45 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h52HAjS10546; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:10:45 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32929.E79DB17A" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Did you know?... Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:10:45 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Did you know?... Thread-Index: AcMpKeaSMVfiPH/MQTmWQAwKydMV2A== From: "Keri Duffy" Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32929.E79DB17A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Did you know?...according to experts, large caves tend to "breathe"; they inhale and exhale great quantities of air when the barometric pressure on the surface changes, and air rushes in or out seeking equilibrium. =20 Did you know?...ostriches can run faster than horses, and the males can roar like lions. =20 Did you know?...that Sockets for jBASE is available? jBCSOCKS is a socket transport layer provider for jBC (Basic) programs. It allows you to create client and server programs in jBC that communicate via TCP/IP sockets. =20 =20 Did you also know?...that jBASE offers an IBM MQ Series Interface? jBCMQ is an interface for jBASE jBC programmers that allows easy interfacing to IBM's MQ series message queue system. This allows a jBASE program to easily participate in data exchange with any application also participating in the MQ series architecture. To find out more about these enabling technologies call your jBASE representative. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32929.E79DB17A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Did you know?…according to experts, large caves tend to "breathe"; they inhale and exhale = great quantities of air when the barometric pressure on the surface changes, = and air rushes in or out seeking equilibrium.

 

Did you know?…ostriches can run faster than horses, and the males can roar like = lions.

 

Did you know?…that = Sockets for jBASE is available?  = jBCSOCKS is a socket transport layer provider for jBC (Basic) programs. It allows = you to create client and server programs in jBC that communicate via TCP/IP = sockets.  

 

Did you also know?…that = jBASE offers an IBM MQ Series Interface?  = jBCMQ is an interface for jBASE jBC programmers that allows easy interfacing = to IBM's MQ series message queue system. This allows a jBASE program to easily participate in data exchange with any application also participating in = the MQ series architecture.   To find out more about these enabling technologies call your jBASE representative.

 

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32929.E79DB17A-- From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 2 19:44:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Ken Wallis" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: news interface information (from techtrial) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:42:33 +1000 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp243.adsl95.pacific.net.au X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054597339 16571 202.7.95.243 (2 Jun 2003 23:42:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:42:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:8 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Adam Lipson wrote: > 1) I don't think out of office replies make it to the sender or the > list as they should be filtered out. There's one way to find out. I don't think I ever posted a message to the old list without getting at least one 'out-of-office' reply, so I'll post this and we'll see if anything strange comes back. I noticed that I got an email copy of a reply to one of Adam's test posts from Mecki (Forthmann?) even though I'm signed up to only get this list via nntp. > 2) as of this moment the nntp > interface is unsecured, but only list members can post to the list So long as the list filters things like autoreplies, then it won't be a problem I shouldn't think. > 4) hopefully within a week the news interface will require a password > to post to the list that will be tied to the password you use for > accessing the web interface of the list. They are different programs > so may be a little bit of a pain to do, but I think I have > directions. Good luck. Doubtless we'll find out when we start needing a password ;^) Cheers, Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kenws@empower.aust.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 8:21 PM > To: techtrial@listserver.jbase.com > Subject: Re: news interface information > > > Adam Lipson wrote: > >> Also, posting via the news interface is open to anyone. This server >> is not listed with any news servers so this should not be a problem. >> The one thing I am working to do is to require authentication with >> the subscriber list such that only members of tech can post to the >> news interface, but I don't image this will be a big issue. > > Just to clarify Adam, are you saying that anyone can post via the nntp > interface for the tech list and their message will be distributed via > email > to all subscribers who have chosen to receive the list messages via > email? > Or is there some level of filtering such that only messages sent by > subscribed email addresses will be distributed via email? > > Since I only access the tech list through my newsreader, I won't be > affected > much either way, but I can see it might make the list a potentially > annoying > source of spam for those who use email to access it. Especially > given the > number of 'Out of Office AutoReplies' that I have received from other > list > subscribers in the past when I've posted. > > If a spammer can send one message to the list and get back half a > dozen > valid email addresses via 'out of office' messages then I daresay > they'd be > very happy. I suppose though, with the new list having address > munging > implemented, such 'out of office' replies will now go to the list, and > hopefully you'll filter them there Adam? Or will they get > distributed to > the list again? :-( From adaml@jbase.com Mon Jun 2 21:49:10 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h531nAS17315 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:49:10 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: news interface information (from techtrial) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: news interface information (from techtrial) Thread-Index: AcMpYb0+zP6vxd9NQcmsyKDA2z4cvAAEJ5SQ From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h531nAS17315 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Ken, and everyone else, If you don't want to get email in your inbox (IE want to only get tech thru the news interface) set the following flag on the subscritions options page http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/subscribe/tech. "Disable mail delivery" set this to "on". This will set a flag on the server and you should not get email. If you have any problems with this let me know and I will fix this from the back end. Adam -----Original Message----- From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kenws@empower.aust.com] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:43 PM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: Re: news interface information (from techtrial) Adam Lipson wrote: > 1) I don't think out of office replies make it to the sender or the > list as they should be filtered out. There's one way to find out. I don't think I ever posted a message to the old list without getting at least one 'out-of-office' reply, so I'll post this and we'll see if anything strange comes back. I noticed that I got an email copy of a reply to one of Adam's test posts from Mecki (Forthmann?) even though I'm signed up to only get this list via nntp. > 2) as of this moment the nntp > interface is unsecured, but only list members can post to the list So long as the list filters things like autoreplies, then it won't be a problem I shouldn't think. > 4) hopefully within a week the news interface will require a password > to post to the list that will be tied to the password you use for > accessing the web interface of the list. They are different programs > so may be a little bit of a pain to do, but I think I have > directions. Good luck. Doubtless we'll find out when we start needing a password ;^) Cheers, Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kenws@empower.aust.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 8:21 PM > To: techtrial@listserver.jbase.com > Subject: Re: news interface information > > > Adam Lipson wrote: > >> Also, posting via the news interface is open to anyone. This server >> is not listed with any news servers so this should not be a problem. >> The one thing I am working to do is to require authentication with >> the subscriber list such that only members of tech can post to the >> news interface, but I don't image this will be a big issue. > > Just to clarify Adam, are you saying that anyone can post via the nntp > interface for the tech list and their message will be distributed via > email > to all subscribers who have chosen to receive the list messages via > email? > Or is there some level of filtering such that only messages sent by > subscribed email addresses will be distributed via email? > > Since I only access the tech list through my newsreader, I won't be > affected > much either way, but I can see it might make the list a potentially > annoying > source of spam for those who use email to access it. Especially > given the > number of 'Out of Office AutoReplies' that I have received from other > list > subscribers in the past when I've posted. > > If a spammer can send one message to the list and get back half a > dozen > valid email addresses via 'out of office' messages then I daresay > they'd be > very happy. I suppose though, with the new list having address > munging > implemented, such 'out of office' replies will now go to the list, and > hopefully you'll filter them there Adam? Or will they get > distributed to > the list again? :-( _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 2 22:48:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Ken Wallis" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: news interface information (from techtrial) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:45:07 +1000 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp243.adsl95.pacific.net.au X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054608297 17714 202.7.95.243 (3 Jun 2003 02:44:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:44:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:10 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Adam Lipson wrote: > If you don't want to get email in your inbox (IE want to only get > tech thru the news interface) set the following flag on the > subscritions options page > http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/subscribe/tech. > > "Disable mail delivery" set this to "on". > > This will set a flag on the server and you should not get email. If > you > have any problems with this let me know and I will fix this from the > back end. Thanks Adam, However, I think the URL people need to use is the one identified in the subscription notification email sent out by the mailman software or http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/options/tech/ if they lose or delete that sometime down the track. There doesn't appear to be any intuitive way to come into the list's web interface and change your options without knowing how the URL is constructed. All seems well so far - quiet of course, but no out-of-office stuff or bounces from my last post. Cheers, Ken From jimi@temporal-wave.com Tue Jun 3 11:42:06 2003 Received: from wavemachine.temporal-wave.com ([10.97.3.2]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h53Fg5S23122 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:42:06 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Welcome to the "Tech" mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C329E7.634D8772" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:47:07 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Welcome to the "Tech" mailing list Thread-Index: AcMpEVrlwZRe74apSfWgBylzjb7caQA1OrDg From: "Jim Idle" To: Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C329E7.634D8772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have only a few questions before I take my ball home and unsubscribe: =20 1. Why did people who don't use the email list anyway but use the nntp list, vote for munging of something that they don't use and how can they call this 'democratic' or even sound reasoning? "I might need to use it someday for a bit", doesn't cut it. 2. For it to be democratic, or in fact even mathematically sound, we need the results as follows: a. How many subscribers in total on the list; b. How many people voted; c. How many people voted for changes to the list that use the nntp version anyway (as these votes should not be counted, anymore than if I suddenly started a campaign for the NNTP server to be abandoned); With these numbers, we can judge whether the vote was acceptable or not. =20 Jim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C329E7.634D8772 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have only a few questions before I take my ball = home and unsubscribe:

 

1.      = Why did people who don't use the email list anyway but use = the nntp list, vote for munging of something that they don't use and how can = they call this 'democratic' or even sound reasoning? “I might need to use it someday for a bit”, doesn’t cut it.

2.      = For it to be democratic, or in fact even mathematically = sound, we need the results as follows:

a.      How many = subscribers in total on the list;

b.      How many people = voted;

c.      How many people = voted for changes to the list that use the nntp version anyway (as these votes = should not be counted, anymore than if I suddenly started a campaign for the = NNTP server to be abandoned);


With these numbers, we can judge whether the vote was acceptable or = not.

 

Jim

------_=_NextPart_001_01C329E7.634D8772-- From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Tue Jun 3 13:52:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Powick Newsgroups: tech Subject: RE: Welcome to the "Tech" mailing list Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:50:50 -0400 Organization: Trident Information Systems Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.69.143.118 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054662650 23709 67.69.143.118 (3 Jun 2003 17:50:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:50:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:12 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In article , jimi@temporal-wave.com says... > 1. Why did people who don't use the email list anyway but use the > nntp list, vote for munging of something that they don't use and how can > they call this 'democratic' or even sound reasoning? "I might need to > use it someday for a bit", doesn't cut it. Adam's initial post about moving to a new list server indicated that nntp would not be available. That's when I requested that if we were reverting back to e-mail access only, I would prefer munged headers. People vote on many things based on the way they think they should be, regardless of whether or not they are taking advantage of them at the moment. I doubt that everyone is affected by all the policies and programs of their local and federal governments that they effectively endorse through their votes for those governing bodies. > 2. For it to be democratic, or in fact even mathematically sound, > we need the results as follows: > > > > a. How many subscribers in total on the list; How is this relevant? In any voting situation, it's only the votes of those that cast them that count. Voter apathy. What can you do? :-) > b. How many people voted; Required, of course. > c. How many people voted for changes to the list that use the nntp > version anyway How many that use e-mail only didn't bother to vote? > (as these votes should not be counted, anymore than if I > suddenly started a campaign for the NNTP server to be abandoned); I guess in a free and democratic society, you would certainly have the right to entertain such a campaign. > > With these numbers, we can judge whether the vote was acceptable or not. Come on Mr. Gore. Would you have posted such an analysis of the voting process had the vote not gone against your preference for non-munging? Now let's have the HTML vs Plain-Text vote. :-) -- Kevin Powick From adaml@jbase.com Tue Jun 3 14:06:00 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h53I60S24066 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:06:00 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Welcome to the "Tech" mailing list Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Welcome to the "Tech" mailing list Thread-Index: AcMp+cNTOhRAa3qQTamKJx/zLXXZkQAABl3Q From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h53I60S24066 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: As per the only real question in Kevin's email: html-vs plain text. You now have an option in the info page (http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech): "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests? If you have any problems with MIME digests, select plain text. MIME Plain Text " Set that to plain text if you are still in the dark ages and don't want html encoded messages. Adam I hate to say it, but go thru my previous postings to this new list and you can figure out how many people voted. Call it a scavenger hunt but don't tell anyone once you find the answer as it really is irrelevant. The answer can be found in the archives http://listserver.jbase.com/pipermail/tech/ and in the news group. How many people vote for Castro or Saddam and why is it worth counting? Same principle applies here. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Powick [mailto:kpowick@tridentinfosys.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:51 PM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: RE: Welcome to the "Tech" mailing list In article , jimi@temporal-wave.com says... > 1. Why did people who don't use the email list anyway but use the > nntp list, vote for munging of something that they don't use and how can > they call this 'democratic' or even sound reasoning? "I might need to > use it someday for a bit", doesn't cut it. Adam's initial post about moving to a new list server indicated that nntp would not be available. That's when I requested that if we were reverting back to e-mail access only, I would prefer munged headers. People vote on many things based on the way they think they should be, regardless of whether or not they are taking advantage of them at the moment. I doubt that everyone is affected by all the policies and programs of their local and federal governments that they effectively endorse through their votes for those governing bodies. > 2. For it to be democratic, or in fact even mathematically sound, > we need the results as follows: > > > > a. How many subscribers in total on the list; How is this relevant? In any voting situation, it's only the votes of those that cast them that count. Voter apathy. What can you do? :-) > b. How many people voted; Required, of course. > c. How many people voted for changes to the list that use the nntp > version anyway How many that use e-mail only didn't bother to vote? > (as these votes should not be counted, anymore than if I > suddenly started a campaign for the NNTP server to be abandoned); I guess in a free and democratic society, you would certainly have the right to entertain such a campaign. > > With these numbers, we can judge whether the vote was acceptable or not. Come on Mr. Gore. Would you have posted such an analysis of the voting process had the vote not gone against your preference for non-munging? Now let's have the HTML vs Plain-Text vote. :-) -- Kevin Powick _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Tue Jun 3 14:42:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Powick Newsgroups: tech Subject: RE: Welcome to the "Tech" mailing list Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:40:13 -0400 Organization: Trident Information Systems Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.69.143.118 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054665614 24254 67.69.143.118 (3 Jun 2003 18:40:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:40:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:14 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In article , adaml@jbase.com says... > As per the only real question in Kevin's email: html-vs plain text. > > You now have an option in the info page (http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech): > > "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests? > If you have any problems with MIME digests, select plain text. > MIME Plain Text " > > Set that to plain text if you are still in the dark ages and don't want html encoded messages. That may work for digest mode e-mails, but the list's web interface doesn't seem to handle the non plain-text messages very well. Just look at the post from Jim in this very thread. I hope you can resolve this problem, because it could make the archives almost impossible to use. (I know you're trying). -- Kevin Powick From adaml@jbase.com Tue Jun 3 15:18:44 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h53JIiS24759 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:18:44 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: an urgent plea Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:18:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: an urgent plea Thread-Index: AcMqBPNS5JT3oF/pQyGDwZpOEB38bw== From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h53JIiS24759 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: All, Now that this new list is working please direct your problems with the list, its format, how it works, anything else including your political opinion as to what a vote means to gripe@listserver.jbase.com. Join this new list if you wish to contribute to such a discussion and leave the other members of tech out of these sort of threads, but please for the sake of the list please refrain from posting this sort of stuff to the tech list as members are getting very annoyed with this. I will, if something important comes up bring it to the lists attention IE a new feature or major problem but other wise let us please take this discussion off the main list. TIA, Adam http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/gripe news://listserver.jbase.com/gripe/ From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Wed Jun 4 12:48:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Obtaining jBase client license across subnet Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:54:35 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.159.16.198 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054745187 2452 217.159.16.198 (4 Jun 2003 16:46:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:46:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:16 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Looks like I'm the first "real" post to the new newsgroup. (Glad to see it's munged by the way!) I have a problem using objex on the pc at the remote end of a router... Normally, I have a pool of Enterprise licenses installed on the server so that on starting objex on the PC client, it will grab a licence from the pool. However, when the PC is running on the other side of the router, it can't find the server to get the enterprise license. Beyond installing an enterprise license on each PC, is there a solution for this? Regards -- ============================== Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com ============================== From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Wed Jun 4 14:22:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Powick Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: Obtaining jBase client license across subnet Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:21:21 -0400 Organization: Trident Information Systems Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.69.143.118 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054750882 3148 67.69.143.118 (4 Jun 2003 18:21:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:21:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:17 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In article , simon@aphroditeuk.com says... > I have a problem using objex on the pc at the remote end of a router... > However, when the PC is running on the other side of the router, it can't > find the server to get the enterprise license. What do you mean "can't find the server"? Have you tried just an IP address instead of a server name? Remember that OBjEX is based on DCOM which communicates via Microsoft's RPC subsystem and you will need to have the appropriate ports and permissions enabled. This article might help. http://www.microsoft.com/com/wpaper/dcomfw.asp -- Kevin Powick From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Wed Jun 4 15:12:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: Obtaining jBase client license across subnet Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:10:25 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 184 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.159.16.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_029F_01C32AD5.55F24FD0" X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054753836 3609 217.159.16.198 (4 Jun 2003 19:10:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:10:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:18 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_029F_01C32AD5.55F24FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not using objex using DCOM... All I have is a PC client with a = copy of jBase installed as client only (ie no licence). I have some = vb.net programs that use objex within them. =20 The jBase objex is created using lines such as : Dim jb As New OBjEX.jBaseClass() Dim jconn As OBjEX.jConnectionClass =3D jb.Connect In order to "connect" to the jbase conection object, objex has to locate = a valid jBase licence, either locally or on the local network (I guess = it uses broadcasts to find the licence). However, when the server is = on a seperate subnet to the client, it can't claim a licence from the = server (no great surprise I suppose!). Anyways, I've had a suggestion from jBase here in the UK which is to try = running jlicenseinfo -N [ip of server] to tell the local copy of jBase = where it's licence server is. I'm having a little trouble in getting the command working due to the = way I install jBase. I upload jBase file by file from the server and = then register the relevant libraries on the client. This is enough for = objex and jRFS to work fine, but not enough for the jlicenseinfo command = to work (says it must be run on a client installation of jBase).. I've = not really had a chance yet to work out what I need to do to get this to = work - if anybody knows, then I'll be eternally grateful! Regards --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Kevin Powick" wrote in message = news:MPG.194802afd7b53dd7989688@listserver.jbase.com... > In article , simon@aphroditeuk.com=20 > says... > =20 > > I have a problem using objex on the pc at the remote end of a = router... >=20 > > However, when the PC is running on the other side of the router, it = can't > > find the server to get the enterprise license.=20 >=20 > What do you mean "can't find the server"? Have you tried just an IP=20 > address instead of a server name? >=20 > Remember that OBjEX is based on DCOM which communicates via = Microsoft's=20 > RPC subsystem and you will need to have the appropriate ports and=20 > permissions enabled. >=20 > This article might help. >=20 > http://www.microsoft.com/com/wpaper/dcomfw.asp >=20 > --=20 > Kevin Powick ------=_NextPart_000_029F_01C32AD5.55F24FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not using objex using = DCOM...   All I=20 have is a PC client with a copy of jBase installed as client only (ie no = licence).  I have some vb.net programs that use objex within=20 them.  
 
The jBase objex is created using  = lines such=20 as :
 

        Dim = jb As New=20 OBjEX.jBaseClass()

        Dim = jconn As=20 OBjEX.jConnectionClass =3D jb.Connect

In order to "connect" to the jbase = conection=20 object, objex has to locate a valid jBase licence, either locally or on = the=20 local network (I guess it uses broadcasts to find the = licence).  =20 However, when the server is on a seperate subnet to the client, it can't = claim a=20 licence from the server (no great surprise I suppose!).
 
Anyways, I've had a suggestion from = jBase here in=20 the UK which is to try running jlicenseinfo -N [ip of server] to tell = the local=20 copy of jBase where it's licence server is.
 
I'm having a little trouble in getting = the command=20 working due to the way I install jBase. I upload jBase file by file from = the=20 server and then register the relevant libraries on the client.  = This is=20 enough for objex and jRFS to work fine, but not enough for the = jlicenseinfo=20 command to work (says it must be run on a client installation of = jBase).. =20 I've not really had a chance yet to work out what I need to do to get = this to=20 work - if anybody knows, then I'll be eternally grateful!
 
Regards

-- =
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Simon=20 Verona
simon@aphroditeuk.com
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"Kevin Powick" <kpowick@tridentinfosys.com> wrote=20 in message news:MPG.194802afd7b53dd7989688@listserver.jbase.com<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>...
> = In article=20 <bbl7p0$2ck$1@listserver.jbase.com>,=20 simon@aphroditeuk.com =
>=20 says...
>  
> > I have a problem using objex on the = pc at=20 the remote end of a router...
>
> > However, when the PC = is=20 running on the other side of the router, it can't
> > find the = server=20 to get the enterprise license.
>
> What do you mean "can't = find=20 the server"?  Have you tried just an IP
> address instead of = a=20 server name?
>
> Remember that OBjEX is based on DCOM which = communicates via Microsoft's
> RPC subsystem and you will need to = have=20 the appropriate ports and
> permissions enabled.
>
> = This=20 article might help.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/com/wpaper/dcomfw.asp
>
> --
> Kevin = Powick ------=_NextPart_000_029F_01C32AD5.55F24FD0-- From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Thu Jun 5 11:18:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: Razvan Opris Newsgroups: tech Subject: Coredump on AIX 4.3.3 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:23:10 +0300 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.temenos.ro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054826256 12836 194.102.197.1 (5 Jun 2003 15:17:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:19 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, I am using jBASE on an AIX 4.3.3 system, with GCC version 2.9-aix51-020209. I have encountered the following problem: I can compile a jBASE program without an error, but when I try and run it, I get a coredump: "Memory fault(coredump)". As far as I can determine it, it seems to be a problem regarding malloc, but I am not really sure. Is there any patch available to fix this? Or do you know of any workaround? Thanks, Razvan Opris From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Thu Jun 5 16:48:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: jRFS problem Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:46:27 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.159.16.198 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054845995 7482 217.159.16.198 (5 Jun 2003 20:46:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:46:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:20 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Before I start investigating in too much depth, I thought I'd check to see if anybody knows the answer... Further to my previous post about getting a jBase client licence when the server is on a different subnet (which was solved by running jinsclient and typing the ip addess of the server when prompted!), I now seem to be having a problem with jRFS. The client PC points to the jBase server using the jrfs config files which map across to similar files on the server. These all work when the client is on the subnet to the server (which is a windows 2000 machine). Doesn't appear to work across the subnet (I have no windows name resolution across the router, I just have a host file on the client for name lookup). Before I look too hard, does anybody know the answer to why this won't work, and how to sort it? Regards -- ============================== Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com ============================== From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Fri Jun 6 07:00:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: jRFS problem Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:59:02 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: motorconsult.demon.co.uk X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054897145 13798 194.222.218.9 (6 Jun 2003 10:59:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:59:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:21 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Problem solved (kindof)... Well.. worked around! It was nothing to do with being on a seperate subnet. The problem was to do with my jnet_map file on the client. The jnet_map file looked like: LOCAL:* jRFS * * REMOTE:SERVERNAME jRFS dms ie all jrfs calls are intercepted and sent to the correct server always with a username of dms. The server then has a jnet_env file that looks up the username dms to set it's environment variables correctly. This works, except when the windows user name contains a space. Unfortunately, when you install Windows XP, it asks for your name and creates you a login of your name. Many people type in their name as Firstname[space]Surname, which creates the windows user of this name. This causes jrfs to fail with checking the jnet_map file - it doesn't map to the "catchall" local file. Checking the logfiles on the client shows it at work.. for example: Jun 06 10:33:25:1588[NameMap] searching c:\JBASE30\config\jnet_map for map string 'LOCAL:hodgsonsdms jRFS Nigel Hurlock Nigel Hurlock' Jun 06 10:33:15:1588[NameMap] no entry found for map string However,if you add a line in jnet_map for "LOCAL:* jRFS Nigel Hurlock Nigel Hurlock' with the correct remote mapping to dms, it works fine. I've reported this to devsup. It would be nice if there was a generic way of making this work, as the jnet_map file is installed automatically as part of my software install, I'm having to manually change it where this problem occurs. I suspect that anybody else using jRFS using the same methodology will have the same problem, hence why I've made this post. Regards -- ============================== Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com ============================== "Simon Verona" wrote in message news:bboa78$79q$1@listserver.jbase.com... > Before I start investigating in too much depth, I thought I'd check to see > if anybody knows the answer... > > Further to my previous post about getting a jBase client licence when the > server is on a different subnet (which was solved by running jinsclient and > typing the ip addess of the server when prompted!), I now seem to be having > a problem with jRFS. The client PC points to the jBase server using the > jrfs config files which map across to similar files on the server. These > all work when the client is on the subnet to the server (which is a windows > 2000 machine). Doesn't appear to work across the subnet (I have no windows > name resolution across the router, I just have a host file on the client for > name lookup). > > Before I look too hard, does anybody know the answer to why this won't work, > and how to sort it? > > Regards > > -- > ============================== > Simon Verona > simon@aphroditeuk.com > ============================== > > From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Fri Jun 6 09:40:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: What does jinsclient do? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:39:23 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: motorconsult.demon.co.uk X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054906778 14950 194.222.218.9 (6 Jun 2003 13:39:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:39:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:22 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I know what jinsclient does... I'm using jinsclient to tell my pc where to find the licence server, but I want to do this as part of an installation script. I'm presuming that it stores the name/ip of the licence server is stored in the registry or in a config file... Anybody know where? Regards -- ============================== Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com ============================== From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Fri Jun 6 09:52:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: What does jinsclient do? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:50:09 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: motorconsult.demon.co.uk X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1054907412 15030 194.222.218.9 (6 Jun 2003 13:50:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:50:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:23 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Why is it that I get moments of inspiration about 5 seconds after hitting "send". jinsclient stores the name of the server in the registry key : HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > JAC > jBASE > LICENSE > CLIENT -- ============================== Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com ============================== "Simon Verona" wrote in message news:bbq5im$ej6$1@listserver.jbase.com... > I know what jinsclient does... I'm using jinsclient to tell my pc where to > find the licence server, but I want to do this as part of an installation > script. I'm presuming that it stores the name/ip of the licence server is > stored in the registry or in a config file... Anybody know where? > > Regards > > -- > ============================== > Simon Verona > simon@aphroditeuk.com > ============================== > > From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 9 11:10:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Matt Ryan" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:08:58 -0400 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: w181.z065105093.nyc-ny.dsl.cnc.net X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1055171344 25876 65.105.93.181 (9 Jun 2003 15:09:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:09:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:24 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet 21's database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that matter) or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. Thanks much Sal From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 9 11:52:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:50:14 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: motorconsult.demon.co.uk X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1055173821 26542 194.222.218.9 (9 Jun 2003 15:50:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:50:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:25 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I don't know anything about the software in question, but the way we've always done data-migration from other software products is to capture printouts in text files (either by picking up the spool entries at an o/s level or by printing to Windows printers defined as "text" and set to print to a file). These can then be picked up and "cut up" into your own database formats... I always found this easier than starting to mess around directly with other peoples databases! It also "normalises" the data into flat text files! I also found that it puts the onus slightly back onto the end user to provide the data - "If you can print it out, then I can transfer it!". Don't know if this is any help at all. -- ============================== Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com ============================== "Matt Ryan" wrote in message news:bc27ug$p8k$1@listserver.jbase.com... > I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using > Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > > Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet 21's > database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that matter) > or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > > Thanks much > > Sal > > From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 9 13:10:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "jBASE TechList" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:07:49 -0400 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.17.1.2 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1055178554 27229 10.17.1.2 (9 Jun 2003 17:09:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:09:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:26 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Matt, I have done these conversions before and from various applications. I agree with Simon (sort of). Many of these apps have the ability to print a report to a file in a tab or comma delimited format. Some even allow you to create an Excel spreadsheet (of course you need to be on a win platform for this) of the report. I have always found it easier to use a tab delim file as commas could be imbedded in the data. You could then create a jBC program to split out the data into j4 files. If this is done on a windows platform, you could use Excel Macros and jBASE OBjEX to load the j4 files. I have done this numerous times to convert data to jBASE. If you are looking to just view the data from within jBC and not actually convert the app to jBASE then you could use the jBASE ODBC jEDI or the Temporal Wave stuff. Let me know if you have any questions about this, Rick Weiser jBASE International, Inc. "Simon Verona" wrote in message news:bc2abt$pte$1@listserver.jbase.com... > I don't know anything about the software in question, but the way we've > always done data-migration from other software products is to capture > printouts in text files (either by picking up the spool entries at an o/s > level or by printing to Windows printers defined as "text" and set to print > to a file). These can then be picked up and "cut up" into your own > database formats... > > I always found this easier than starting to mess around directly with other > peoples databases! It also "normalises" the data into flat text files! I > also found that it puts the onus slightly back onto the end user to provide > the data - "If you can print it out, then I can transfer it!". > > Don't know if this is any help at all. > > -- > ============================== > Simon Verona > simon@aphroditeuk.com > ============================== > "Matt Ryan" wrote in message > news:bc27ug$p8k$1@listserver.jbase.com... > > I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using > > Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > > > > Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet > 21's > > database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that > matter) > > or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > > > > Thanks much > > > > Sal > > > > > > From malachid@temporal-wave.com Mon Jun 9 13:24:28 2003 Received: from wavemachine.temporal-wave.com ([10.97.3.2]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h59HOSB27406 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:24:28 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Prophet 21 software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:29:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Prophet 21 software Thread-Index: AcMurE0IWLMiweBcShmdHV2wnkJwgwAAEo6A From: "Malachi de Aelfweald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h59HOSB27406 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: IMHO, using a pipe(|) delimiter works the best, as people rarely include them in their datasets. Usually, if you consider their might be a "comment" field, that is the one most likely to conflict with any particular character you might choose. Malachi -----Original Message----- From: jBASE TechList [mailto:rickw@jbase.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:08 AM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: Re: Prophet 21 software Matt, I have done these conversions before and from various applications. I agree with Simon (sort of). Many of these apps have the ability to print a report to a file in a tab or comma delimited format. Some even allow you to create an Excel spreadsheet (of course you need to be on a win platform for this) of the report. I have always found it easier to use a tab delim file as commas could be imbedded in the data. You could then create a jBC program to split out the data into j4 files. If this is done on a windows platform, you could use Excel Macros and jBASE OBjEX to load the j4 files. I have done this numerous times to convert data to jBASE. If you are looking to just view the data from within jBC and not actually convert the app to jBASE then you could use the jBASE ODBC jEDI or the Temporal Wave stuff. Let me know if you have any questions about this, Rick Weiser jBASE International, Inc. "Simon Verona" wrote in message news:bc2abt$pte$1@listserver.jbase.com... > I don't know anything about the software in question, but the way we've > always done data-migration from other software products is to capture > printouts in text files (either by picking up the spool entries at an o/s > level or by printing to Windows printers defined as "text" and set to print > to a file). These can then be picked up and "cut up" into your own > database formats... > > I always found this easier than starting to mess around directly with other > peoples databases! It also "normalises" the data into flat text files! I > also found that it puts the onus slightly back onto the end user to provide > the data - "If you can print it out, then I can transfer it!". > > Don't know if this is any help at all. > > -- > ============================== > Simon Verona > simon@aphroditeuk.com > ============================== > "Matt Ryan" wrote in message > news:bc27ug$p8k$1@listserver.jbase.com... > > I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using > > Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > > > > Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet > 21's > > database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that > matter) > > or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > > > > Thanks much > > > > Sal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech From jimh@jbase.com Mon Jun 9 13:57:42 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h59HvgB27623 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:57:42 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:57:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Prophet 21 software Thread-Index: AcMurE0IWLMiweBcShmdHV2wnkJwgwAAEo6AAADSCNA= From: "Jim Holloway" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h59HvgB27623 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: A cursory glance of their website shows that they use: CommerceCenter uses a Windows-based platform and SQL Server. Acclaim is powered by UNIX and Progress's 4GL technology. both of which have ODBC drivers; With a little more research of the application's data model, I'm sure you'd get more accurate results using this method. -Jim H -----Original Message----- From: Malachi de Aelfweald [mailto:malachid@temporal-wave.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:30 AM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: RE: Prophet 21 software IMHO, using a pipe(|) delimiter works the best, as people rarely include them in their datasets. Usually, if you consider their might be a "comment" field, that is the one most likely to conflict with any particular character you might choose. Malachi -----Original Message----- From: jBASE TechList [mailto:rickw@jbase.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:08 AM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: Re: Prophet 21 software Matt, I have done these conversions before and from various applications. I agree with Simon (sort of). Many of these apps have the ability to print a report to a file in a tab or comma delimited format. Some even allow you to create an Excel spreadsheet (of course you need to be on a win platform for this) of the report. I have always found it easier to use a tab delim file as commas could be imbedded in the data. You could then create a jBC program to split out the data into j4 files. If this is done on a windows platform, you could use Excel Macros and jBASE OBjEX to load the j4 files. I have done this numerous times to convert data to jBASE. If you are looking to just view the data from within jBC and not actually convert the app to jBASE then you could use the jBASE ODBC jEDI or the Temporal Wave stuff. Let me know if you have any questions about this, Rick Weiser jBASE International, Inc. "Simon Verona" wrote in message news:bc2abt$pte$1@listserver.jbase.com... > I don't know anything about the software in question, but the way we've > always done data-migration from other software products is to capture > printouts in text files (either by picking up the spool entries at an o/s > level or by printing to Windows printers defined as "text" and set to print > to a file). These can then be picked up and "cut up" into your own > database formats... > > I always found this easier than starting to mess around directly with other > peoples databases! It also "normalises" the data into flat text files! I > also found that it puts the onus slightly back onto the end user to provide > the data - "If you can print it out, then I can transfer it!". > > Don't know if this is any help at all. > > -- > ============================== > Simon Verona > simon@aphroditeuk.com > ============================== > "Matt Ryan" wrote in message > news:bc27ug$p8k$1@listserver.jbase.com... > > I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using > > Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > > > > Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet > 21's > > database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that > matter) > > or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > > > > Thanks much > > > > Sal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech From jimi@temporal-wave.com Mon Jun 9 14:09:50 2003 Received: from wavemachine.temporal-wave.com ([10.97.3.2]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h59I9lB29298 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:09:49 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Prophet 21 software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32EB3.11E70F01" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Prophet 21 software Thread-Index: AcMurE0IWLMiweBcShmdHV2wnkJwgwAAEo6AAADSCNAAAL+rcA== From: "Jim Idle" To: Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32EB3.11E70F01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree entirely with this. Don't use comma delimited files (or any other delimiter) if you can contact the database programmatically. =20 Jim =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Holloway [mailto:jimh@jbase.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com =20 A cursory glance of their website shows that they use: =20 CommerceCenter uses a Windows-based platform and SQL Server. =20 Acclaim is powered by UNIX and Progress's 4GL technology. =20 both of which have ODBC drivers; With a little more research of the application's data model, I'm sure you'd get more accurate results using this method.=20 =20 -Jim H ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32EB3.11E70F01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree entirely with this. Don't use comma delimited = files (or any other delimiter) if you can contact the database = programmatically.

 

Jim

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Holloway [mailto:jimh@jbase.com]
Sent: Monday, June 09, = 2003 10:58 AM
To: tech@listserver.jbase.com

 

A cursory glance of their website shows that they = use:

 

CommerceCenter uses a Windows-based platform and SQL = Server.

 

Acclaim is powered by UNIX and Progress's 4GL = technology.

 

both of which have ODBC drivers; With a little more research of = the application's data model, I'm sure you'd get more accurate results using = this method.

 

-Jim H

------_=_NextPart_001_01C32EB3.11E70F01-- From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 9 15:38:03 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: "Simon Verona" Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:36:37 +0100 Organization: jBASE International Lines: 98 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.159.16.198 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1055187405 436 217.159.16.198 (9 Jun 2003 19:36:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:36:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:30 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I should have suffixed that I find CSV or delimited files easier to cut up... It doesn't actually matter much to me as I have some neat software that I use to "import" and "map" files to our own application file layouts. This works with csv, xls, tab delimeted or normal printout text files. Personally, I always avoid the picking data up directly from the database outside of the application (using ODBC etc)... This is not because it's technically more difficult (it's not, rather the opposite) but it puts the onus on *me* as the data transferree to interprete the database formats and map them to the "real world" rather than let the application do it for me in it's reporting. I only ever use this method as a "last resort"! Regards -- ============================== Simon Verona simon@aphroditeuk.com ============================== "jBASE TechList" wrote in message news:bc2evq$qit$1@listserver.jbase.com... > Matt, > > I have done these conversions before and from various applications. I agree > with Simon (sort of). Many of these apps have the ability to print a report > to a file in a tab or comma delimited format. Some even allow you to create > an Excel spreadsheet (of course you need to be on a win platform for this) > of the report. I have always found it easier to use a tab delim file as > commas could be imbedded in the data. You could then create a jBC program > to split out the data into j4 files. > > If this is done on a windows platform, you could use Excel Macros and jBASE > OBjEX to load the j4 files. I have done this numerous times to convert data > to jBASE. > > If you are looking to just view the data from within jBC and not actually > convert the app to jBASE then you could use the jBASE ODBC jEDI or the > Temporal Wave stuff. > > Let me know if you have any questions about this, > > Rick Weiser > jBASE International, Inc. > > "Simon Verona" wrote in message > news:bc2abt$pte$1@listserver.jbase.com... > > I don't know anything about the software in question, but the way we've > > always done data-migration from other software products is to capture > > printouts in text files (either by picking up the spool entries at an o/s > > level or by printing to Windows printers defined as "text" and set to > print > > to a file). These can then be picked up and "cut up" into your own > > database formats... > > > > I always found this easier than starting to mess around directly with > other > > peoples databases! It also "normalises" the data into flat text files! I > > also found that it puts the onus slightly back onto the end user to > provide > > the data - "If you can print it out, then I can transfer it!". > > > > Don't know if this is any help at all. > > > > -- > > ============================== > > Simon Verona > > simon@aphroditeuk.com > > ============================== > > "Matt Ryan" wrote in message > > news:bc27ug$p8k$1@listserver.jbase.com... > > > I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using > > > Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > > > > > > Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet > > 21's > > > database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that > > matter) > > > or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > > > > > > Thanks much > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Mon Jun 9 22:08:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: Clark Kellogg Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:08:00 -0700 Organization: Kellogg Supply Lines: 40 Message-ID: <26faevops67qi6i74fq9p99uo4d6q0v26u@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.6.229.22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1055210874 2994 216.6.229.22 (10 Jun 2003 02:07:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:07:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:31 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Reply-To: mrclarkk@bigfoot.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a friend which sells legal software and does a lot of conversions. They use the Monarch tool (link below) with great success. What this tool will do is pretty much automate what Simon is suggesting. Automate may be a misnomer, you still need to map the data i/o. I personally used Data Junction to convert data from an old Wang System when we went with a AP/Pro System back in 95. It worked very well as it provided the opportunity to filter, reformat and/or set fields to specific values for import into the pick database. For a 1 shot use, Monarch Data Pump may prove to be too costly for your project as the list price is $450. Don't know if discounts are available for VARS. As for delimiters, I have used the pipe (|) as per what Malachi suggested, and tab delimited, with equal success. All depends on the data set and what you expect to run up against. Need less to say, test and verify again and again. http://www.datawatch.com/dataconversionsoftware/personal_edition.htm Regards and good luck, Clark On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:08:58 -0400, "Matt Ryan" wrote: >I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using >Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > >Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet 21's >database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that matter) >or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > >Thanks much > >Sal > From ttd@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 10 20:14:44 2003 Received: from 207.21.5.233 (adsl-63-194-199-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.194.199.106]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h5B0Edr05489 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:14:40 -0400 From: "Tom Dodds" To: Subject: RE: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:25:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-GCMulti: 1 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Ashwood Computers out of Cincinnati has done a lot of data migrations and is quite competent in the Pick/U2/jBASE product lines. www.ashwoodcomputer.com Tom Dodds ttd@ix.netcom.com 708-482-4510 Office 630-235-2975 Cell 415-781-6012 - 342 -----Original Message----- From: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com [mailto:tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com]On Behalf Of Matt Ryan Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:09 AM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: Prophet 21 software I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion from Prophet 21's database to a jBase database (or any other type of database for that matter) or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. Thanks much Sal _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech From adaml@jbase.com Tue Jun 10 20:22:24 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B0MOr05612 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:22:24 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: problem posting via email and archive status Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: problem posting via email and archive status Thread-Index: AcMvr4kvJrcRd3dtTSaOMGsqjhY/Pg== From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h5B0MOr05612 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: All, a few folks have mentioned that they have had problems posting via email. I have been looking into this and a few things have popped up. Some people can't telnet to port 25 of the list server and thus can't send email to the list. Our ISP has said that they may be the cause of this problem and are looking into it. In the mean time if you wish to post to the tech list and your posting is not getting to the list please post via the news interface. If this is fixed before some people's email servers stop sending old messages that did not make it thru there may be a couple of multiple postings. Also, as far as archives go I have found out that there is a new version of the list server that will parse the old messages correctly. I am in the midst of upgrading this now. I hope to have it done and imported by the end of the week. thanks for putting up with the transition. Adam From clark@mercednet.com Tue Jun 10 21:22:43 2003 Received: from vopmail.mercednet.com (mail.mercednet.com [216.6.224.5]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B1McK06560 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:22:43 -0400 Received: from WIS1 (unverified [63.200.107.41]) by vopmail.mercednet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:58:54 -0700 From: "Clark Kellogg" To: Subject: RE: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:04:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c32ea9$21883070$7401a8c0@WIS1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a friend which sells legal software and does a lot of conversions. They use this tool with great success. What this tool will do is pretty much automate what Simon is suggesting. Though, for a 1 shot use, it may prove to be too costly for your project as the list price is $450. Don't know if discounts are available for VARS. http://www.datawatch.com/dataconversionsoftware/personal_edition.htm Regards, Clark > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com > [mailto:tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com]On Behalf Of Matt Ryan > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:09 AM > To: tech@listserver.jbase.com > Subject: Prophet 21 software > > > I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using > Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > > Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion > from Prophet 21's > database to a jBase database (or any other type of database > for that matter) > or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > > Thanks much > > Sal > > > _______________________________________________ > Tech mailing list > Tech@listserver.jbase.com > http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech > This list is also viewable as a news server at > news://listserver.jbase.com/tech > From clark@mercednet.com Tue Jun 10 21:22:44 2003 Received: from vopmail.mercednet.com (mail.mercednet.com [216.6.224.5]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B1MhK06563 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:22:43 -0400 Received: from WIS1 (unverified [63.200.107.41]) by vopmail.mercednet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:39:59 -0700 From: "Clark Kellogg" To: Subject: RE: Prophet 21 software Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:45:10 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c32ed8$c848be50$7401a8c0@WIS1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a friend which sells legal software and does a lot of conversions. They use the Monarch tool (link below) with great success. What this tool will do is pretty much automate what Simon is suggesting. Automate may be a misnomer, you still need to map the data i/o. I personally used Data Junction to convert data from an old Wang System when we went with a AP/Pro System back in 95. It worked very well as it provided the opportunity to filter, reformat and/or set fields to specific values for import into the pick database. For a 1 shot use, Monarch Data Pump may prove to be too costly for your project as the list price is $450. Don't know if discounts are available for VARS. As for delimiters, I have used the pipe (|) as per what Malachi suggested, and tab delimited, with equal success. All depends on the data set and what you expect to run up against. Need less to say, test and verify again and again. http://www.datawatch.com/dataconversionsoftware/personal_edition.htm Regards and good luck, Clark > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com > [mailto:tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com]On Behalf Of Matt Ryan > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:09 AM > To: tech@listserver.jbase.com > Subject: Prophet 21 software > > > I've got a customer that just purchased another business that is using > Prophet 21 distribution software on an AIX box. > > Just curious if anyone out there has done data conversion > from Prophet 21's > database to a jBase database (or any other type of database > for that matter) > or can lead me to someone who has done this type of work. > > Thanks much > > Sal > > > _______________________________________________ > Tech mailing list > Tech@listserver.jbase.com > http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech > This list is also viewable as a news server at > news://listserver.jbase.com/tech > From ttd@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 10 21:46:40 2003 Received: from 207.21.5.233 (adsl-64-166-85-216.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.166.85.216]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h5B1keK06878 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:46:40 -0400 From: "Tom Dodds" To: Subject: RE: problem posting via email and archive status Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:45:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-GCMulti: 1 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks for working through the problems on our behalf. Tom Dodds ttd@ix.netcom.com 708-482-4510 Office 630-235-2975 Cell 415-781-6012 - 342 -----Original Message----- From: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com [mailto:tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com]On Behalf Of Adam Lipson Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:22 PM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: problem posting via email and archive status All, a few folks have mentioned that they have had problems posting via email. I have been looking into this and a few things have popped up. Some people can't telnet to port 25 of the list server and thus can't send email to the list. Our ISP has said that they may be the cause of this problem and are looking into it. In the mean time if you wish to post to the tech list and your posting is not getting to the list please post via the news interface. If this is fixed before some people's email servers stop sending old messages that did not make it thru there may be a couple of multiple postings. Also, as far as archives go I have found out that there is a new version of the list server that will parse the old messages correctly. I am in the midst of upgrading this now. I hope to have it done and imported by the end of the week. thanks for putting up with the transition. Adam _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech From tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Wed Jun 11 01:48:02 2003 Path: listserver.jbase.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Powick Newsgroups: tech Subject: Re: problem posting via email and archive status Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:44:43 -0400 Organization: Trident Information Systems Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.69.136.245 X-Trace: listserver.jbase.com 1055310284 8537 67.69.136.245 (11 Jun 2003 05:44:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@listserver.jbase.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:44:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Xref: listserver.jbase.com tech:37 To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In article , adaml@jbase.com says... > a few folks have mentioned that they have had problems posting via email. I have been looking into this and a few things have popped up. > > Some people can't telnet to port 25 of the list server and thus can't send email to the list. They probably can't telnet to port 25 because many ISPs block port 25 (SMTP) in an effort to reduce e-mail spam. For example, I cannot reach port 25 on my server with ISP X, when I'm on the network supported by ISP Y. Many "road warriors" experience this problem when away from their home networks and they try to send e-mail. They need to reconfigure their laptop to use a local SMTP server in order to send e-mail. Having said all this, I doubt this is the problem these people are having with the list, as their e-mails are sent to their local SMTP, which then contacts jBASE's. I was just trying to explain why telneting to port 25 often won't work. -- Kevin Powick From adaml@jbase.com Wed Jun 11 08:17:07 2003 Received: from newmail.jinternal.com (newmail [10.17.0.40]) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5BCH7K12006 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:17:07 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: problem posting via email and archive status Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:17:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: problem posting via email and archive status Thread-Index: AcMv3aTgx5zfeH0gTgWekX/7cy71fgANT0og From: "Adam Lipson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserver.jbase.com id h5BCH7K12006 Sender: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com Errors-To: tech-admin@listserver.jbase.com X-BeenThere: tech@listserver.jbase.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tech@listserver.jbase.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry if I was not as explicit as I should have been last night. What I meant to say was that many people who I talked to (and their ISP's) could not telnet via their mail server to port 25 on this server on an intermittent basis. Unfortunately I know all too well that ISP's block outgoing requests to port 25 on other servers to block spammers (my ISP does it). The good news is I think it is working now and everyone should be able to post messages via the email interface so lets get the discussions going! Adam -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Powick [mailto:kpowick@tridentinfosys.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:45 AM To: tech@listserver.jbase.com Subject: Re: problem posting via email and archive status In article , adaml@jbase.com says... > a few folks have mentioned that they have had problems posting via email. I have been looking into this and a few things have popped up. > > Some people can't telnet to port 25 of the list server and thus can't send email to the list. They probably can't telnet to port 25 because many ISPs block port 25 (SMTP) in an effort to reduce e-mail spam. For example, I cannot reach port 25 on my server with ISP X, when I'm on the network supported by ISP Y. Many "road warriors" experience this problem when away from their home networks and they try to send e-mail. They need to reconfigure their laptop to use a local SMTP server in order to send e-mail. Having said all this, I doubt this is the problem these people are having with the list, as their e-mails are sent to their local SMTP, which then contacts jBASE's. I was just trying to explain why telneting to port 25 often won't work. -- Kevin Powick _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list Tech@listserver.jbase.com http://listserver.jbase.com/mailman/listinfo/tech This list is also viewable as a news server at news://listserver.jbase.com/tech From terry@laynesoftware.com Wed Jun 11 17:21:25 2003 Received: from laynesoftware.com (PPPa11-City-3R7009.dialinx.net [4.4.18.232] (may be forged)) by listserver.jbase.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5BLLO